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tonight, as we sign off, i want to say good-bye to a wonderful producer on this show, julia nutter, who is leaving "the rachel maddow show" for greener pastures after today every show has turnover. people cannot stay forever but julia started here as an intern and my assistant. she worked her way up to be one of the most valuable people on staff. i also have to tell you the ten years she has work on this show literally make up a third of her natural life on this earth so, julia, we are all going to miss the h-e double hockey sticks out of you. good luck. we'll miss you now it's time for "the last word." joy reid in for lawrence tonight. >> good evening. julia's leaving? my goodness. >> i can barely hold to together i literally can't -- >> somebody who has had the honor of sitting in there, your
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team is so awesome i did nick one member of your team i know how valuable these folks are. >> also, somebody has been here through the whole thing. >> isn't it amazing how long you think how engrained your show is, how long it's been here when people leave it's painful you realize, i'm blossoming this new career. >> i hope so. >> this person has all thee opportunities and you get to be a part of it. >> i fully expect to be working in the long run for everyone who has worked for me. >> will they hire us one day, rachel that's all we ask. >> you and i will join together. >> yes. >> we'll perform some type of slightly washed up older news people you used to respect club. and we will job share. >> i am totally here to job share with you, rachel we will do this. >> thanks, joy much appreciated my friend. >> thank you have a good one. thank you all for being here with us tonight. i'm joy reid in for lawrence o'donnell. years from now when people ask what the longest government shutdown in u.s. history was all
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about, what will be said the short answer, of course, is the wall the 35-day shutdown over the wall, which caused immeasurable suffering to hundreds of thousands of americans ended today. the same day that roger stone, the longtime donald trump adviser who invented the idea of building the wall as a trick to remind donald trump to talk tough on immigration at his campaign rallies was taken into custody in the early morning hours by more than two dozen federal employees working without pay. armed fbi agents and indicted by robert mueller donald trump's terrible friday started with that news and ended with him violating one of roger stone's cardinal rules of politics, never admit defeat >> i am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and re-open the federal government [ applause ]
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as everyone knows, i have a very powerful alternative, but i didn't want to use it at this time >> you know, donald trump put a brave face on that, but that is what total abject defeat sounds like that is what complete surrender to nancy pelosi sounds like. >> we're grateful to democrats on both sides of the capitol for their unity. that was very, very important in these discussions. it's sad, though, that it's taken this long to come to an obvious conclusion i quote lincoln all the time, public sentiment is everything with it you can accomplish almost anything. and we thank the public for weighing in so strongly. >> 35 days of a shutdown and donald trump got nothing 800,000 federal workers got the financial hardship of two missed paychecks. another 1.2 million federal contractors will never be made whole. members of the coast guard were
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forced to go to food banks local law enforcement agencies -- sorry, law enforcement agencies were begging for money to enable them just to do their jobs today airlines began grounding flights as air traffic controllers called in sick and all for nothing. tonight the president signed the legislation he vowed not to sign after it passed in the senate and the house. it will fund the government for 21 days, but just because donald trump got nothing doesn't mean the situation is the same as it was 35 days ago. nancy pelosi took on trump and beat him the democratic caucus stayed united and it's starting to sound like the republican caucus is changing course. >> this is good news this is long-awaited news. in fairness, mr. president, this never should have happened >> and of course trump's base feels betrayed conservative commentator ann coulter, who prior to the shutdown was enjoying the power to order the president of the united states around, tweeted,
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quote, good news for if george herbert walker bush. as of today he is no longer the biggest wimp to ever serve as president of the united states one headline for right-wing media outlet breitbart news read, government open and border i don't know no wall, still no s-o-t-u. defeat is not defeat with a vague thread about what could happen when the temporary funding runs out in 21 days. quote, this was in no way a concession if no deal is done, it's off to the races, exclamation point joining us now is tim o'brien. neera tanden, president for the center of american progress and eugene robinson, associate editor and pulitzer prize winning writer for "the washington post. he's also an msnbc political analyst. eugene, i'm going to start with you on this just to kind of give us your big picture of what you saw today. you saw a president probably at his weakest moment. >> yeah. >> if you split screened donald
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trump and roger stone, it would be hard to tell which of them was getting indicted because roger stone looked jubilant, throwing up his hands like nixon and donald trump looked completely deflated. >> he was deflated he was -- he couldn't even convin convince himself of what he was saying he said, well, we have a deal. it's not a deal. it was a capitulation. it was the deal -- the exact deal with no alteration, no variation whatsoever that he could have had 35 days ago it was the -- it was basically the deal that he had agreed to and then reneged on back in december it was not a deal. it was a surrender and, you know, one thing that has struck me -- there's a fabulous story in "the washington post" posted tonight by my colleagues -- my colleague phil rucker and others about the sort of inside tick-tock of this
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capitulation what one thing that comes through is what terrible advice that donald trump was getting. not that you can tell him anything, but people like jared kushner completely misread the political situation. completely misread the democratic caucus. they all misread nancy pelosi. it's not like she's an unknown quantity she's been around for a long time everybody in washington knows who she is and how she operates and could know what to expect but they had no clue they've been here two years and they had no clue of how to do this negotiation and they paid the price. >> you know, tim o'brien, as somebody who has been a biographer of donald trump, "a," they could have just watched television, which is what donald trump does all day to know what the temperature was. it's shocking they wouldn't know that democrats were not going to give donald trump a wall it's not happening it was interesting to see that split screen where roger stone seemed to be having the time of his life even though he was just
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indicted donald trump look like the air was completely sucked out of him. what do you think is going through his mind right now >> i don't think -- donald trump never stays down for long so i don't think donald trump operating in the public eye in a defeated or deflated mode is something that's going to continue very long i think the question we have to ask then is what's going to be the net result when he reinflates what i think it's going to be, i suspect, is he will try to invoke national security powers on the southern border to try to do a wall that way i think he's going to get a lot of pressure from republicans not to do that i don't know that he'll listen to them. he's going to have to go through a weekend now where he's spoken of being emasculated, being beaten by a woman. he's got ann coulter calling him a wimp. >> yeah. >> all of this gets to the sense of his own manhood and masculinity. he never does well in that situation so i think he's going to lash out. >> a former administration official about re-opening the government called it a total cave unless he calls national
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security emergency when he doesn't get the wall funded in the next three weeks this was donald trump saying sort of the same thing in the rose garden today. take a listen. >> so let me be very clear we really have no choice but to build a powerful wall or steel barrier. if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency. >> neera tanden, i don't think any -- i haven't spoken to anybody today who believes that the government will shut down again, that mitch mcconnell will go along with this again he loves this saying there is no education in the second kick of amule. apparently he said that to his congress i don't think donald trump is going to be able to shut down
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the government again what about this idea of him trying to save face by promising -- escalating the promises now to his base that now he's going to invoke a national emergency your thoughts? >> i mean, he may well do that and i think that would just kick it to the courts and, you know, numerous legal experts say it would be unconstitutional. there is clear supreme court precedent for that obviously the national emergency was also an issue that was ridiculed by his base so it does create some wedge issues but i really think just to step back for one second about where we are, i think one of the reasons why donald trump so misjudged nancy pelosi and the democrats and essentially the political situation is because he's been dealing with a republican congress for two years that just did his bidding. and this today, in my view, was really the first moment where the work that everyone did to elect the house democratic
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majority really stopped trump in his tracks >> yeah. >> and it was a full-frontal defeat because he just misjudged, but also, you know, she has a strong caucus, not a bare majority caucus, a strong majority along -- her strength in her caucus strengthens schumer's hand in his caucus so i think he just met the wall and it was nancy pelosi's spine. >> yeah, i mean, "the washington post" has a piece that talks about the prisoner of his own impulse inside trump's cave and what they say is trump and pelosi had not spoken since their january 9th session if which the president stormed out of the white house situation room in a private meeting with some columnists earlier this week, pelosi was asked why she thought trump had not created a more potent nickname for her than nancy she replied according to a senior democratic aide, some people think that's because he understands the power of speaker. is he teachable in the sense he clearly didn't mow what the speaker of the house does and didn't understand the power
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relative to the power of his office is there any sign that maybe if he doesn't understand that it that his team now understands it and some way they will govern themselves accordinglyingly? >> well, he's team's come to it belatedly. donald trump has probably the most inept administration to every occupy the white house this is not just a donald trump problem. jared kushner has yet to earn his junior g-man badge they've got him working on immigration policy they've got him negotiating on the wall and he's in over his head there is no one around this president that is competent enough to address the myriad number of issues that come in front of them. trump ultimately never listens to anybody what you have now in this event is, as neera said, it's the first sort of landmark failure for this team in which their incompetence is exposed. it's also donald trump revealed as an inept deal maker a guy who came to washington
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with a base believing he was a very competent businessman who could get things done in washington even though his track record as a businessman was just as abysmal was the deal he got plowed by nancy pelosi on. it's all come home to roost. >> all that's really come out of this is that donald trump, his cabinet and even his daughter-in-law have appeared to be incredibly callous individual people the republican party look completely weak. they wouldn't vote for the same thing they voted for before until a weakened president gave them permission. and lindsey graham, who styled himself the new bestie of donald trump and trump whisperer. he's got nothing for all of his obsequiousness he put himself out on a limb january 2nd saying this about these wall negotiations. let's listen to lindsey graham >> if he gives in now, that's the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective president that's probably the end of his presidency. >> eugene -- >> let's hope. let's hope. >> well -- i mean, from
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lindsey's lips to god's ear. maybe it is the end of his presidency who knows. but that's a -- it's a very interesting question so, you know, you gave the mitch mcconnell line that every southern senator uses, frankly, about the no -- there being no education in the second kick of a mule so here's my question, how many republican senators felt the mule kick of this shutdown and will want to avoid repeating the experience and i don't know the answer to that yet we do know that there was an extremely tense republican senators lunch, i believe it was yesterday in which voices were raised senator ron johnson and mitch mcconnell sort of snarling at each other over -- over the debacle of the shutdown. you had a number of republican senators, i think six, six or
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seven who voted for the democratic bill to open the government without wall funding. you had, according to "the post" story posted tonight, you had mitch mcconnell calling the president saying, look, my senators are in revolt i can't hold this. this is -- you're going -- you're going to have to give up. so it -- has that changed? is there another change in washington, not just nancy pelosi as another power center but is there a change in the republican senate and i'm not -- i'm not sure of the answer but we'll see. >> you know, neera, he didn't even get the state of the union. there are some theories out there that maybe he decided, you know, he would give in so that he could have his tv show. nancy pelosi said, uh-uh, we're not doing that either until the government is fully open he didn't even get the tv show back. >> yeah, i mean, i think he'll get it eventually but it's going to be on her terms, not his. just to follow up on what was
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just said, i think a really important thing that we have to recognize here is the phycological damage to trump's base i think as tim said, the wall was a central promise for trump to his base. the idea that he is a strong negotiator he set this whole thing up to go m mano y mano against democrats and he failed. and i think the one question is how this will move into the future republicans really were hurt by following him and these poll numbers have been terrible you have a number of republicans who are up in 2020, joni ernst, tillis, others who voted -- who voted one way, voted against themselves and then voted the other way. i mean, these people just voted against -- yesterday voted against a bill that they voted for today. >> yeah. >> so i think, you know -- i think a lot of people are going to wonder whether following trump like they have in lockstep makes sense when it's been such a political disaster over the
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last several weeks. >> well, tim, i'll ask you that then because donald trump is not accustomed, number one to know and have to admit failure. today he did have to admit failure. i wonder if -- does he wind up getting abandoned here he has delivered nothing but failure at the hands of a woman, no less. >> he actually didn't admit failure. he had the biz air statement of saying we don't build medieval walls, we build smart walls. there is no money in this interim bill for a wall at all. >> right. >> he wasn't really admitting defeat he was telling a narrative he could stomach in the rose garden he's going to go home and count his marbles and figure out how he's going to come back at this group. what he's done along the way is he's frayed his base, he's frayed the gop, he has done representational damage to the country. he's caused logistical, financial and reputational damage across the board. it's going to be very hard for him to come back from. >> yeah, indeed. it's been quite a 35-day
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spectacle. neera tanden, eugene robinson, tim o'brien, appreciate it coming up, who are the top trump campaign officials mentioned in the roger stone indictment some theories next. some of the greatest damage caused by the trump shutdown will be done to trump and republicans because of their own comments about the pain the shutdown caused. (news anchor) a violent tornado coming up on downtown tuscaloosa... it was as bad as you could imagine it being. (911 operator, muffled) 911, what's your emergency? (overlapping radio calls) there was a lot of people that didn't make it through that day. the first responders were there, and i did make it. thank you is, is nowhere near enough. ♪ is it to carry cargo... greatness of an suv? or to carry on a legacy? its show of strength... or its sign of intelligence? in crossing harsh terrain...
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issued an indictment that made a direct connection between the trump presidential campaign and attempts to coordinate with the foreign entity that was in possession of e-mails stolen from the democratic campaign and the democratic national committee by russian intelligence in other words, collusion. the indictment against longtime trump adviser roger stone includes one count of obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements to congress and one count of witness tampering but perhaps more importantly, the indictment tells a story that anyone connect with the trump campaign will not enjoy. you may want to get your pencils out for this on page three of the indictment against roger stone prosecutors say, "by, in or around june of 2016, stone informed senior trump campaign officials that he had information indicating organization one, also known as wikileaks, had documents whose release would be damaging to the clinton campaign." senior campaign officials
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plural make of note of that it also says "after the july it 22, 2016 release of stolen dnc e-mails by wikileaks, a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information wikileaks had regarding the clinton campaign." a senior trump campaign official was directed, was directed double underline that. and one more "stone exchanged written communications, including by text message and e-mail. the indictment cites several of the written communications roger stone had, including this text he sent to a supporter involved with the trump campaign. "yes, want to talk about a secure line. got whatsapp?" so what does this indictment tell us about what robert mueller knows? joining me now is paul butler. a law professor at georgetown university, a former federal
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prosecutor and betsy woodruff, a politics reporter for "the daily beast. both of which are msnbc contributors paul, i want to get your reaction to the indictment and the story it tells both about the active collusion and the search for hillary clinton e-mail material from wikileaks by roger stone and this weird back and forth he has with the intermediary, the person who is identified as person two, that he's not only using to sort of get this information but then later threatening about being honest about it. >> yeah. so the indictment tells us that roger stone was the trump campaign adviser on hacked e-mails. i don't know if that's his official title, but that's the work that he did and the most revealing allegation is how receptive high-up people in the trump administration were to this information. which they knew had been stolen by russia. so, joy, we have people at the very top level of the trump
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campaign being open and interested in illegal conduct by russia to help install donald trump in the oval office >> right in the indictment, there's a portion of it where it reads, "shortly after organization one's released an associate of the high-ranking trump campaign official sent a text message to stone that read well done. betsy, you know, roger stone has testified and tried to sigh not only that he had no e-mails, text messages, et cetera, which obviously he did because now robert mueller has them, but that he was just guessing about what was going to come out from wikileaks. what does this indictment say about that >> the indictment makes it clear or the indictment alleges, i should say, that stone engaged in a fairly complex slight of hand to try to cloud -- cloud the window when it came to understanding who he believed to be his intermediary with wikileaks.
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my understanding is that person two who you mentioned earlier is ran randy crest crow he interview the julian assange in 2016 and the indictment says person two hosted a radio show and he interviewed assange so we can assume with a high degree of confidence that he is person number two. and also assume with very high confidence that jerome corsi is person number one. in the indictment mueller alleges that stone tried to communicate to congress that his intermediary to wikileaks or the person he was talking about wikileaks the most with was randy kretico. when, in fact, according to the indictment, jerome corsi who at the time was affiliated with wikileaks, who was one of the early propagators of the birther conspiracy theory was actually the person who had the most overlap in terms of his connection with wikileaks and then with roger stone. i don't have a great sense of the significance of why roger stone would have tried to
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mislead congress on this point, but clearly it was significant to him if not, he wouldn't have, assuming the facts in the indictment are correct if not, he wouldn't have risked potential jail time to try to engage in that type of slight of hand that's a big thing we're watching for future revolutions for mueller's team is how the story kind of plays itself all the way out. >> right now kretico and jerome corsi -- roger stone and jerome corsi are on opposite sides in terms of their stories. paul, you have in the indictment a pretty straightforward narrative. on or about the same day september 18th, 2016, stone e-mailed person two, who may be randy kretico in an article with allegations against then candidate clinton. stone stated, please ask the head of organization one, presumably julian assange, for any state or hrc e-mail from august 10 through august 30,
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particularly on august 20, 2011, that mention the subject of the article or confirmed this narrative. as a prosecutor, is that just roger stone realizing that wikileaks has stuff anyway and, hey, if you're already releasing stuff anyway, here are some of our orders we're just placing a few orders. or is that a conspiracy to commit a crime >> well, that's the question that robert mueller has to be centered on right now. so what we know is that even though stone is indicted that the investigation of him continues. and i think it's clear that mueller would love for roger stone to flip, to turn state's evidence we've seen that in part based on how the raid was conducted now, of course, there was legal reason to have security because there was concern about destruction of evidence. maybe officers' safety but, joy, 29 armed fbi agents, 17 squad cars, a squad team, a 6:00 a.m. raid, that's extra,
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and i think what mueller was doing was sending a message to roger stone. if this is how the criminal justice system treats people who are presumed to be innocent, imagine what happens if you're convicted of a crime your dude paul manafort, he's sitting in solitary confinement right now. if you don't want that result, you are looking right now at jail for the rest of your life you better think about making a deal with us >> interesting betsy, you know, the other thing was, you know, roger stone, randy kretico, if you believe he's person two, telling him per the indictment, why don't you just change your testimony to the truth? any reporting on why roger stone persisted in not updating or revising his testimony to the congressional committees that were investigating this rather than lying >> that's one of the big open questions. part of the reason it's such an important one is that roger stone was pretty adamant, according to the indictment, in trying to push randy kretico to
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reiterate to congress roger stone's version of events rather than saying what the kretico himself believed to be true. i've communicated with kretico extensively for the last year or so one of the things i gleaned in conversation prior to this indictment is that kretico seem to be concerned about stone and views that he has potentially some security issues that would be analogous to the concerns that michael cohen has telegraphed. that's something to keep an eye on as well. >> wow. >> joy, it just makes no sense why roger stone wouldn't come clean. again, this is a very open and shut case. he claims he didn't have any communications with the russians mueller has texts and e-mails from stone out of the wazzu. so, again, it's really easy to prove. what it suggests is that roger stone is one of those people who is more afraid of incurring donald trump's wrath than the he is going to jail for the rest of his life. >> he's already said he will not bear false witness against donald trump thanks both of you appreciate it. coming up, nancy pelosi
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i expect probably within the next 60 days you're going to have a fair number of indictments. >> a fair? >> a significant number of indictments. >> former cia director john brennan made that prediction, a significant number of indictments by robert mueller in the next 60 days 20 minutes after a dozen armed fbi agents
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arrested former trump campaign official and longtime ally roger stone at stone's home in florida. meanwhile on the same day roger stone was being booked in federal cork, shackled the at his wrists and ankles, trump's former campaign chairman turned convicted felon paul manafort appeared in court for a hearing in which muller team prosecutors told the judge manafort should not, not get credit for cooperating, which will be a factor in his sentencing roger stone is now the sixth trump associate to be indicted or convicted predictably today the white house claimed roger stone, one of the president's oldest friends and advisers has absolutely nothing to do with donald trump >> roger's, you know, relationship with trump has been so interconnected that it's hard to define what's roger and what's donald, but it will be clearly a trump presidency i think it's influenced by stone philosophy >> joining us now is craig ungar, author of "house of
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trump: house of putin, the untold story of donald trump and the russian mafia" and back with us, tim o'brien. craig, i'm going to start with you on this. i want to play one more little byte from this great documentary "get me roger stone" which i highly recommend people watch in addition to reading your books here is manafort talking about roger stone and their co-relationship with trump >> did roger recommend you for the job? >> roger was one of the two or three people who strongly recommended me, yes. even after roger stopped being the principal political adviser to trump, he continued to be a very important adviser and is to this day. >> now do we find out that not only did roger stone come up with build the wall, that was his idea he's laid all the themes, the underlying themes of his campaign and at least per the indictment was also attempting to funnel the -- the hacked e-mails, the wikileaks -- the wikileaks-obtained e-mails to the campaign. >> right well, it's important to remember
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that trump's relationship with roger stone goes back roughly 40 years to 1980 when stone and manafort were part of the reagan team and he was very much -- they both learned at the -- both manafort and stone learned at the knee of richard nixon and roy cohn, sort of the dark, say tannic prince of that era. he was the icon of mccarthyism back in the '50s and often describes the essence of pure evil stone learned at his feet and they worked together in the early '80s and he's been a powerful, powerful influence on trump. >> you know it's interesting because one of the things this documentary kind of hints at is that, you know, that roger stone loves richard nixon and was sort of looking for another nixon got sort of bored with bob dole and didn't think was the right guy to do nixon one better
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sort of trump was his new nixon. is that what we're watching here, roger stone sort of dream of a perfect post-nixonian republican president just kind of blowing up in all our faces >> i don't think that roger stone is a deep fiphilosophical thinker about politics, joy. i think we have to recognize a lot of these people are off their rockers and not incredibly bright roger stone has left an enormous paper trail. he incriminated himself. he essentially self-emulated for all of the language they use, invoking the mob, the old school mobsters not to do that sort of stuff. they knew to keep their mouths shut that's really not roger. he also -- he also is anarchist. and i think the people who latch on to trump latch on to his enormous ability to create chaos. and that's why trump is
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appealing to people like roger stone. >> yeah, if you look at just the number of people, you know, there is the book "the everything trump touches dies. look at the number of people who have gone down here. associates indicted or pled guilty, papadopoulos, manafort, michael cohen, roger stone, to say nothing about the russians, it's all sort of falling apart to tim's point, craig, they are invoking mob language. it is extraordinary to read that roger stone was texting and e-mails threats to randy credico that you better not be a rat and literally writing be this character in "the godfather. >> right. >> what is this weird sort of mob-like thing happening >> roger is very weird he revels in the sleaze. he and manafort were known as the torture's lobby. they delighted in representing saddam hussein or -- >> marco ruball of them roger has this wonderful tattoo
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of richard nixon's head on his back when i interviewed him in 2008, he was promoting to me trump a presidential candidate of course he immediately starts with stories of being in a strip club with various escorts. he played a role in taking down elliot spitzer when he was governor he loves to be known as a dirty trickster. he revels in that. he walks into rooms and says is there anyone here i can spin before reporters >> the $50,000 question or $50 million question is will he turn on trump i'll give you each of you the chance to answer that question when it comes to it, the showman ship and showing his stomach he does all of that showmanship today, looking buoyant, but in the end when faced with real jail time, will he turn on donald trump >> i suspect he will but i could be proven wrong. roger stone has spent the better part of the last year and a half thumbing his nose at the law and the law arrived at his front
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door this morning armed with battering rams and they took him in custody you know, one of the things i was talking to david corn, who wrote a very insightful piece today about this indictment. there is a missing element in this indictment. they did not charge will with conspiracy against the united states for everything he was involved with, they've got him on obstruction, tampering with witnesses, they got him lying to federal officials, but they didn't get him on the big charge, essentially being an agent for the russian government to undermine the 2016 election why not? it's possible that mueller's team is keeping that card in their back pocket. >> yeah. >> they're going to say to him, there is more we can do to you. >> yeah. >> and we won't do it if you cooperate. >> interesting will he cooperate? >> i don't know. but to your point, roger had a tweet in 2014, just as a siege of the square was happening in ukraine and he said where is paul manafort today? is he loading gold bullion on to planes he knows game going on. >> craig ungar, tim o'brien,
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thank you for joining us. coming up, the damage done by the trump shutdown to his own party and the country. >> president trump, no disrespect, ms. nancy is not going to give you that wall. mr. trump, you need to stop holding us hostage we need to go back to work you're woredri about the wall, you better worry about what's going on right here.
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speaker pelosi, did the president underestimate you politically and can you assure the public that there weren't be another impasse in three weeks >> i can't assure the public on anything that the president will do, but i do have to say i'm optimistic i can't characterize the president's evaluation of me >> do you think that he thought he would get what he wanted? >> i think he thought no one should ever underestimated the speaker, as donald trump has learned. >> who can say what donald trump has learned from his and his party's failed showdown with house speaker pelosi and the democrats. perhaps one lesson might be that he shouldn't be listening to anyone presumably on his side. donald trump was pushed to this fight by immigration hardliners, a minority of the minority in the house, and by conservative media personalities like ann coulter who have literally nothing to lose from the government shutdown or, frankly, from donald trump's humiliation
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and failure. nothing. also a bad idea, entrusting the negotiations with democrats to trump's son-in-law jared kushner, whose genius advice to his father-in-law reportedly was to dig in. jared believed that he could crack the senate democratic caucus and get an immigration deal politico reported that after the vote to re-open the government and fund the wall failed in the senate, jared was surprised it got only one democratic vote, joe manchin, who represents a state that voted 68% for trump lesson learned, don't send jared. see, there is this thing that those of us that are parents inevitability confront, and it's what you might call the crying child scenario or that thing where your child wigs out in a store. the question, do you intervene and say pick up the child or give him the candy that they're demanding or do you just let them cry it out? the point is that if you choose to intervene, what the child learns is that their behavior controls your behavior
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whereas if you let them cry it out, they eventually learn to calm themselves. and while clearly donald trump is a 72-year-old adult and not a child, much the same rule applies in this case where speaker nancy pelosi simply said no and then made trump self-calm and face reality. you're not getting the candy bar. no wall. no of course donald trump's 35-day executive temper tantrum to force congress to give him american tax money forthe border wall mexico was supposed to pay for was far more serious than a supermarket wig out real people suffered, ultimately for no reason. and today donald trump faced reality, entered the rose garden looking somber and defeated, he swallowed his pride and announced that the government will re-open for three weeks with no money for his border wall as some dejected trump aides reportedly told politico, "president nancy pelosi, she runs the country now." well, not quite.
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after donald trump's rose garden capitlation on the shutdown, nancy pelosi was asked an all too familiar question. >> are you no longer ruling out any money for the wall are you open for money for the
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wall >> have i not been clear on a wall >> you have not been clear. >> no, i have been very clear on the wall. >> guys, no. she's not going to give the kid a candy bar after they freak out in the checkout supermarket line, no polling shows that after a month of trump stunts, americans are not confused 60% of americans blame trump for the shutdown. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security so i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down i'm not going to blame you for it. >> putting aside the fact that the media still hasn't caught up with the "no," even donald trump hasn't figured it out. but let's move on. atlas "washington post" piece that talks about the way this went down. trump repeated predicted that house spoerk nancy pelosi would cave and surmise that she had a problem with the more liberal members of her caucus but she
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held firm. why are they so loyal, trump asked in one staff meeting, complaining democrats so often stick together while republicans sometimes break apart. first of all, anyone knows democrats never stick together is my parenting analogy too much here that essentially nancy pelosi let trump cry it out >> yeah, i think it's absolutely right. she said herself, she's a mother and grandmother and she's seen children with temper tantrums and she doesn't going to succumb to that. if you let the temper tantrum rule the day, then you're going to face multiple temper tantrums there's going to be a debt limit debate, there's going to be other times where he can close the government down for whatever hostage taking he would like and she said finally and totally and absolutely no. i also think we're at the beginning of a presidential debate the democrats are running for
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president, the fact that that's taking place at a time when donald trump had his lowest approval ratings, i think she and the democrats are setting up not just the next few weeks, but the next two years. >> it might be showing the country what female leadership looks like, which might be good for these candidates. >> or rational leadership. >> there you go. i have to show you this eric holder shade tweet he says can i hear now from all those who opposed nancy pelosi becoming speaker in lesson learned, never buy into the conservative hype and baseless attacks be strong, damn it are they feeling a little egg on their face >> every month democrat who underestimated nancy pelosi, you know, maybe could owe her an apology for sure but also the truth is this is a good example of having a woman with decades of experience,
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someone who actually knows how the game is played, who understands the levers of power. a lot of people have shunned experience over the last several years, and she's demonstrated that experience also creates knowledge and wisdom something she deployed every single day against a president who has neither. >> i think it also right now the country of the potential power of the speakership the speaker is a powerful job. we weren't accustomed to people actually using that power. tonight's last word is next. (911 operator, muffled) 911, what's your emergency? (overlapping radio calls) the first responders, they are the reason why i'm here. just um, just makes me thankful, for everything that i have. ♪
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time now for tonight's last word >> i can't assure the public on anything the public will do, but i do have to say i'm optimistic. i see every challenge or every crisis as an opportunity, an opportunity to do the right thing for the american people. and our caucus, the beauty of it is the mix and i always say when people say to me, oh, you're so good at organizing the caucus. our values unify us. and our diversity is our strength the differences in so many different ways including differences of opinion, that's our strength but our unity is our power. and that is what maybe the president underestimated. >> join me weekend mornings at 10:00 a.m. for my show, "a.m. joy. "the 11th hour" with brian
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williams starts now. >> the breaking news tonight, a friend of the president's going back 40 years becomes the target of a predawn raid and is now latest mueller indictment. stone tone, the man with the nixon tattoo, gives the nixon wave after being charged with seven counts what the president calls a witch-hunt has resulted in 199 criminal counts, seven guilty pleas. >> he gets no wall in return but public servants will get paid and his hometown paper, the daily news, just couldn't resist this headline for tomorrow as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a consequential friday night. good evening from nbc headquarters in new york day 36 of the trump administration and after 35 days

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